Posts by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

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Proposed Apostate takeover campaign

by zound in

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fictional apostate takeover campaign.

stage #1.. what if in a town that had a particularly large amount of apostates and ex-jw's, over a period of a few months, they started going to a small congregation.

either pretending they were bible studies or just returning jw's, they got good standing in the congregation, priveleges etc.

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

Spyvsspy89

have you considered visiting a psychiatrist?

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JW's And Their Education Level

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

i was thinking about this.... in my congregation, i was literally the only one with universitary education, out of a cong from around 110 people.... and we're very close to a very big university, which makes it even weirder.. on the other hand... sooo many here with their own business, mostly small cleaning businesses.

cleaning windows, or cleaning somewhere else... painters.... all have jobs that do not require any education level, cos they never had a decent education.. how is the composition of the jw people/congs that you know about?.

how many painters... cleaners... compared to people with jobs that require higher education?.

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

I was thinking about this...

in my congregation, I was literally the only one with universitary education, out of a cong from around 110 people...

and we're very close to a very big university, which makes it even weirder.

On the other hand... Sooo many here with their own business, mostly small cleaning businesses. Cleaning windows, or cleaning somewhere else... Painters.... All have jobs that do not require any education level, cos they never had a decent education.

how is the composition of the JW people/congs that you know about?

how many painters... cleaners... compared to people with jobs that require higher education?

And how many people do you know that are being told they better not go to university?

edit: the majority of the pioneers here does not even work, but receives money from the government.

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Are people free to leaving the Witnesses, and shunning.

by ThomasCovenant in

is it true, as bro jackson testified to the australian royal commission, that people can leave the religion freely?.

in my own case, yes.

i just stopped going and was never announced as ''no longer one of jw's''.

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

I have never been baptised, so I have officially never been a JW, just an unbaptised publisher (or is this also already viewed as being a somewhat full JW?).

Never having been baptised as a JW technically means I cannot leave them since I never officially joined them. However, even without being baptised, I am being shunned now because I do not attend any meetings and do not participate in any activities, like preaching.

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The Truth Brings Not Peace, But A Sword!

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yldwe_6jsu.

this is a video from a district convention in 2013.. some disturbing things are being said in this talk.. 1.45 ''what does jehovah want from us when our family member is difellowshipped?''.

matthew 10:34,35 is being read.

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yLdwe_6JsU

This is a video from a district convention in 2013.

Some disturbing things are being said in this talk.

1.45 ''What does Jehovah want from us when our family member is difellowshipped?''

Matthew 10:34,35 is being read. Jesus said, ''I came to put, not peace, but a sword. For I came to cause division with a man against his father and a daughter against her mother, and a young wife against her mother in law.''

''What does Jehovah want?''

2.30 ''Loyalty, that's what Jehovah wants''

3.20 ''Remember, the wrongdoer changed his relationship with Jehovah and his family.
It was their actions that affected the family, not ours. If they would have remained faithful, the family would still be intact.''

Shocking how much blame is put here on the one that leaves. It is disgusting how they talk about this. As if it's their fault that the family shuns them!

4.35 ''Respect the arrangement for discipline. Simply put, respect the decision that resulted in our family member being disfellowshipped. This is the best decision for everybody. Disloyalty to Jehovah's arrangement is not going to work.''

''For example, when someone is disfellowshipped one of the reasons they want to come back into Jehovah's organization is to associate with the brothers and sisters in the congregation and likely to associate with their family.''

''So if we associate with them when they are disfellowshipped, we could actually be taking away from them a motivating factor for wanting to be reinstated.''

So, let them wanting to go back because they miss their family and friends! What a great idea...

It is complete manipulation, the only reason someone would want to go back must be for 'going back to Jehovah'. They are misusing family and friends to make people come back.

''Remain loyal to Jehovah!''

For the ones that are shunning the disfellowshipped ones, the loyal ones, this message is been given to them:

5.40 ''Don't play the blame game. Resist self-blame. We may think that we are at fault somehow. Remember that Jehovah holds sinners responsible for their actions.''

''Avoid the ''if only'' games... If only we would have done more in the organization... if only ... if only ... ''

''The disfellowshipped person left Jehovah. They knew the results of their actions.''

''They are the ones that made the wrong choice. Don't blame ourselves.''

This part was so sick. It's not even necessary to comment on this, it is so appaling.

''Do not, never give up!''

8.10 ''We can have mentally the peace of God that excels all thought because we know what we are doing is right.''

Yes, yes, we are right and everybody else is always wrong. We are never to blame, the ones to blame are the ones who leave. Who's fault is it that the family is no longer intact? The fault of the ones who leave the org, not of the ones who remain loyal....

9.00 ''Let's follow Jesus' steps closely.....''

By beginning the talk with Jesus' words and ending with Jesus' words they make it look like as if Jesus would've approved of this. It's disgusting.

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JW.Org claims they have fullfilled Jesus command to preach in all the inhabited earth.Have they really done that ? I dont think so.

by smiddy in

apart from the fact that they have mainly followed in the footsteps of christendom before them what virgin territories have they ever gone to that christendom before them has not gone to .

i would think none.. how many lands ,countrys ,are their that they have never made any significant inroads into ?.

we are not talking about token service in any of these countrys in major cities , but a real door to door witness to every individual householder that gets it every few months as in western lands.. some that i can think of : north korea ,mainland china , bangladesh ,india , pakistan , jordan , israel , iran , syria ,burma ( sorry cant think of the new name ).

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

https://www.imb.org/research-maps/

On this page, maps with the progress toward engaging unreached peoples

and with unengaged unreached people groups.

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JW.Org claims they have fullfilled Jesus command to preach in all the inhabited earth.Have they really done that ? I dont think so.

by smiddy in

apart from the fact that they have mainly followed in the footsteps of christendom before them what virgin territories have they ever gone to that christendom before them has not gone to .

i would think none.. how many lands ,countrys ,are their that they have never made any significant inroads into ?.

we are not talking about token service in any of these countrys in major cities , but a real door to door witness to every individual householder that gets it every few months as in western lands.. some that i can think of : north korea ,mainland china , bangladesh ,india , pakistan , jordan , israel , iran , syria ,burma ( sorry cant think of the new name ).

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

''However even with this list it shows beyond reasonable doubt JW`s have not preached in all the inhabited earth .NO WAY,''

Very true, and I must say nice thread.

I don't know about the witnesses, but I very much like this site: www.imb.org

IMB stands for the International Mission Boards.

This site gives all kind of statistics related to how far the gospel has spread in the world.

Sadly though, not the right gospel of course since they do not preach about 1914 and do not teach obedience to the Governing Body and so on.

Some statistics that I find interesting:

7,2 billion people on the earth

42% of the world are reached ones (people with access to the gospel). This is 3 billion.

Of this 3 billion, 2,3 billion are Christians.

700 million has access to the gospel but does not accept the gospel, because of other beliefs etc.

58% (4.2 billion people) is classified as unreached. This means very littlo to no access to the gospel (maybe to a watchtower though)

These people are 6792 ethnic groups. These groups have few to no churches, a very small part of the gospel in their own language, or no part at all, a lot of persecution etc. Think of the Muslim world.

The number of each of these ethnic groups vary a lot. Some groups are only a few hundred people, whereas others are a few million. To gain access to the gospel, they will need help from outside the community.

https://www.imb.org/people-and-places/

For instance Sub-Saharan Africa

https://www.imb.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/SSAP_FastFacts.pdf

''SUB-SAHARAN AFRICA HAS A GROWING CHRISTIAN POPULATION, BUT IT’S STILL HOME TO NEARLY 1,600 UNREACHED PEOPLE GROUPS IN SPRAWLING CITIES, BARREN DESERTS, RAIN FORESTS''

Or Central Asia:

https://www.imb.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/CA_FastFacts.pdf

''98,7% OF CENTRAL ASIAN PEOPLE GROUPS ARE UNREACHED''

''ALL THE PERSIAN AND TURKIC PEOPLE GROUPS WHO CALL CENTRAL ASIA HOME ARE UNREACHED. MOST CENTRAL ASIANS HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF BIBLICAL CHRISTIANITY AND ARE UNAWARE THAT THE GOSPEL IS GOOD NEWS.''

Hope this information is helpful.

Of course, the power of the Governing Body is so much stronger than Christendom, cos only they have the power of the holy spirit. But if we take these statistics into account, it seems fair to say that a great majority of the world has not been reached.

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Russia and the letter writing

by Listener in

this is the whole of the instructions that the watchtower gave jws when writing to russian officials -.

content • you are writing to the official to request his intervention.

express the hope that the russian authorities will stop the legal action being taken against the branch office and the congregations in russia so that our brothers and sisters can continue to gather peacefully for christian meetings without interference.

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

Richard Oliver - "Was Paul not remaining neutral when he used the legal system of the Roman's not just to appeal his case but to appeal it to Ceasar. It is asking a government to abide by their own laws of freedom of religion and by the treaties that they are signatories to that require them to also provide freedom of religion. They are not running anyone for office to try and get it over thrown or any other political means. Using the court system is not a political act."

Paul was a Roman citizen and used his rights as such, to stand his case. In the case that we see now with JW's and Russia, it's definitely not comparable to what Paul did. A non-Russian person writing to the Russian government to tell them what to do, is not justifiable using Paul's example. They are not in the same legal position.

Moreover, asking the government to abide by their own laws, also means that they should abide by their anti-extremist laws. According to Russia law, JW are extremist. Taking a stand against it, is not asking the Russian government to listen to their own laws, but to change them. It's definitely political.

If not, why are JW's not protesting against abortion laws and all such laws?

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Red Alert - Propaganda is Being Used!!!!!!!!

by The Searcher in

check out the latest watchtower:.

"your defense?

be determined to stick to jehovah’s organization and loyally support the leadership he provides—no matter what imperfections may surface.

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

Wow, JW propaganda that attacks ... other propaganda ... Such irony

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How many disfellowshipped ones are there in your cong?

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

in the congregation that i used to go to, there were a lot of disfellowshipped ones that were once part of the cong.

also, a lot of witnesses here have family members that are disfellowshipped.

one family has a daughter that the family has been shunning for decades now.

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

How many cases of ~~disfellowshipping~~ shunning do you know about?

How many families in the congregation in your area have family members that they are shunning?

What is the craziest and most unfair case of ~~disfellowshipping~~ shunning that you know about?

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How many disfellowshipped ones are there in your cong?

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

in the congregation that i used to go to, there were a lot of disfellowshipped ones that were once part of the cong.

also, a lot of witnesses here have family members that are disfellowshipped.

one family has a daughter that the family has been shunning for decades now.

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

Good point! I think I have to change my words.

I mean the ones being shunned, not necessarily only the ones that are disfellowshipped, because that is indeed hard to know.

Thanks for the comment.